No, because everything your body requires is available from vegan sources. I don’t, nor do I know any vegan that does, take supplements regularly (and even when supplements are taken, it is usually for reasons that can afflict anyone like poor diet maintenance, illness, eating disorders, etc…).

I would be more concerned about the nutrient intake of most carnists, since animal-products are not the best sources of much of anything and contain a whole bunch of shit your body doesn’t want.

Why would it turn you off? Because the idea of taking a cruelty-free pill of condensed nutrients is somehow less desireable than consuming the violent death of a sentient being (presumably using ‘doing what’s ‘natural” for reasoning)?

Just because some cultures/movements adopted the style to make a statement, doesn’t mean that they own it… Or my hair…

I wasn’t aware that vegetarianism helped with any of those things?

Does it make you feel silly to think that, if an ‘attention fiasco’ is what I’m really after, you’re contributing to it?

Thanks for the input :).

Well, give them a go and see how you get on. I am wary of them, though, since nuts and seeds are like uber powerful laxatives for me :’(.

Before reading this message I had never even heard of them.

I just found them using Google.

I don’t think I have even seen Tommy in the vegan tag, honestly. I mostly see food in there.

It depends on how I am feeling already. Plenty of times I just get mad that so much wisdom is being wasted on people with brick walls for heads. It’s partly empathy rage and partly rage at the futility of it all - if Tommy can’t get through to them, then how can I?

If it is not rage, it is more bewilderment. But, I know I have laughed at the especially idiotic ones.

(It probably doesn’t help that I am just pissed off 99% of the time anyway)

Most tobacco is not vegan. If you smoke it, knowing that it is not vegan: you are not vegan. That is not me deciding; that is just how it is…

The tobacco that is ‘vegan’ (by a purely ingredients-based definition) is still either tested on animals, or the parent company of the brand tests on animals.

I think the claim that nicotine is more addictive than heroin is skewed somewhat by the easy and legal acquisition of tobacco.

Tell them to do themselves, the animals and the people around them a favour and stop smoking.

It fucking sucks.

In addition to that: any medication you take has already passed the animal testing phase and the human testing phase. The results from the animal testing phase were unusable in terms of being allowed to market the medication so, therefore: completely irrelevant.

Animal testing is something that companies conduct as an aside to their medicine production for financial gain. That said, though: I don’t take any medication and I’m not sure I would.

You don’t sound pathetic, dramatic or ‘pathetically dramatic’.

The burden of knowledge is a heavy one to bear; having the destructive, cruel ignorance of that knowledge thrust in your face; having your sensibilities disregarded and your feelings ignored, trivialised or made fun of; feeling out of place and alone in most social environments all day, every day, is fucking tough.

Try to be strong and beleive in yourself, you are doing a good thing; the right thing. Remember to be happy that you are not like them. Use the pain you feel for the animals to fuel you to help them, however you can. And if you need to cry: just fucking cry, don’t hold it back. I cry a lot and I rarely try to stop myself; why should I? Crying is a genuine (and appropriate) reaction to how we treat animals (and humans, and the planet…); why should we try to curb or dull those feelings? It is lack of empathetic feeling that causes most of the shit we’re crying about. I don’t see it as I am ‘too emotional’, or whatever, more that others have lost touch with their emotions.

How do I deal with it? I rant on here, mostly. I am very lucky to have Gem to rant with in person. Do you have anyone close to you who would listen? I sometimes rant to my mum (if it comes up when we speak, I don’t call her just to shout about stuff). I can’t really realate to her about veganism (she is veggie), but she listens to me and it helps. 

If you don’t feel as though you have anyone in your ‘real’ life, come online! The Tumblr vegan community is super friendly and isn’t the only place vegans visit. A bunch of us are on Facebook, then there is Volentia, the Vegan Forum and a bunch of other places you can go an connect with other vegans.

You can always come and talk to me, too. I am without a PC right now, so getting online for more than a few minutes isn’t always easy but I will reply when I can. Sometimes it is just good to write all the shit in your head out, even if nobody sees it.

Feel free to come off anon, I don’t respond to personal messages publicly and won’t respond to any message publicly if you ask me not to.

Thanks for the input.

I was going to post a list of fucked up things that the human race has always done, but I couldn’t be fucked as it would be lost on that prick.

veg·an  /ˈvēgən/

Noun: A person who does not eat or use animal products. Coined in 1944 by Donald Watson, the founder of The Vegan Society, in England. Being the first 3 and last 2 letters of the word’ vegetarian’: Donald wanted the new word to mean “the beginning and end of vegetarian”.

You’re obviously about 6 years old, but even to you 1944 does not constitute ‘ancient’…

This is a good place to start on your B12 discovery journey.

Also read here and here.

In short: yes, you can easily get enough as plenty of foods are fortified with it.